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Are Organic Foods Getting Too Pricey for the Middle Class?

By Jill Richardson, AlterNet. Posted August 29, 2008.


Even Whole Foods and its upper-middle-class customers are feeling the pinch.
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It's no secret that food prices are going up. Bloomberg News reported this month that we are experiencing the highest rate of food inflation in 28 years, and both corn and soy hit record high prices during July.

Consumers are doing what they can to cope with these rising prices -- but does that mean staying away from organic food that may already be pricier? And if so, could a lull in organic sales make farmers and retailers shy away from the organic market as a result?

What better place to look for trends than the poster child for high food prices: my local Whole Foods. Referred to by many as "Whole Paycheck," Whole Foods made headlines in the New York Times this month for seeking to change its high-priced image: "Now, in a sign of the times, the company is offering deeper discounts, adding lower-priced store brands and emphasizing value in its advertising. It is even inviting customers to show up for budget-focused store tours like those led by Mr. Hebb, a Whole Foods employee."

A year ago I left a job in the Whole Foods bakery, where I served coffee, baked bread and scooped gelato. Now, I visited the same store where I worked to discover that the bakery's "Every Day Value" items (whole wheat bread and blueberry bran muffins) rose in price by a dollar each in the last year. I also remembered that the store occasionally put items on sale and frequently posted signs advertising value when I worked there, so I wondered if the New York Times was correct.

Carolyn Kates, the marketing assistant at my local Whole Foods, had some answers. With company profits falling 13 percent in the third quarter this year, Whole Foods sees the need to move away from its "Whole Paycheck" image. And now that even its upper-middle-class customer base is feeling the pinch, the store needs to convince shoppers to try its lower-priced grocery items, particularly its private-label brands, 365 and 365 Organic.

Why the drop in profits?

While the price of oil is apparent when people go to the pump, folks are now beginning to realize that filling up at the grocery store is getting more expensive too, and for similar reasons.

As recent studies such as "Diet, Energy, and Global Warming" by Gidon Eshel and Pamela A. Martin show, we almost literally eat oil. It takes oil to plant, harvest, transport and process the wheat in the wheat bread and bran muffins that rose in price; fertilizers used in conventional agriculture are often petroleum-based as well. When oil prices rise, food prices are soon to follow. This affects consumers, retailers and farmers.

Sure, Whole Foods may have taken a hit last quarter, but will these rising oil and food prices actually keep consumers from organic and health foods?

According to USA Today, organic industry executives believe that the loyalty of core organic consumers will keep the organic market strong overall, even if sales growth has slowed compared to past years. Slowed growth in organics reflects not only cuts in spending by current organic consumers but also a slower rate of adoption by new organic consumers. However, a May survey of 1,000 people by Information Resources found that 52 percent were buying fewer organics because of cost.

Organic shoppers like San Diego mom Erika B. Perkins continue to buy organic by cutting corners where they can. "Our family still buys and grows all organic fruit, produce and organic milk," she said. "However, where I used to purchase only organic grab-and-go snacks and breakfast cereals, now I am buying store-brand snacks and cereals that are still free of MSG and high-fructose corn syrup but are by no means organic."

Others concur. Aaron Turner, whose family eats almost exclusively organic food, said his family continues buying organic food, opting for fewer processed items, which he feels are the most expensive. "We have also started to grow some food at home, like greens, peas, berries and tomatoes. ... And we shop at the farmers market, as the fresh veggies last longer than store-bought items." Even so, he has seen his family's food bills rise $50 per week compared to last year.

For families like the Perkinses and Turners who can afford it, food choices are a balance of price and health. It's no wonder that organic consumers are doing whatever they can to continue buying -- or even growing -- organic despite high food prices.

Stores like Whole Foods can help ease the financial strain by supplying more private-label "Every Day Value" items. But while Whole Foods might be helping its shoppers financially, unless it can help shift our food system to one that does not run on oil, it's not much good in the long run.

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Jill Richardson is the founder of the blog La Vida Locavore and a member of the Organic Consumers Association policy advisory board. Her first book, about food politics, is due out in June 2009.

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Why is organic food so expensive in the US?
Posted by: minmotstand on Aug 29, 2008 2:25 AM   
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You're not using expensive chemicals like pesticides and synthetic bovine growth hormones, you reuse your seeds and don't have to buy new ones every season, it's usually transported a shorter distance, you have to use less water than several GMO crops which require much more, and I've read that organic crops yield more than GMO.

Among several other points, you seem to spend less money producing organic goods than you would with GMO.

So why is it so much more expensive?

In the US, comparing organic prices to "conventional" GMO prices usually means paying twice as much. Sometimes they will insanely charge four times as much for random items such as cheese crackers.

Even the "conventional" GMO products at Whole Foods seem to be a bit more expensive.

Here in Germany, organic food is usually only a few cents more ($1 EU vs $1.10 EU), except for dairy products which are about half as much.

Still in many cases I find it too expensive and just get the conventional products, though luckily for me GMO crops are illegal here and across Europe.

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Yuppie Food
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 29, 2008 2:35 AM   
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Don't hold your breath waiting for WF's prices to become reasonable. No matter how bad the economy gets, there will always be enough suckers willing to pay for trendy gimmicks. Those kinds of stores have been around forever, in one form or another.

I get my produce at a local farm market. Normally, the clientele is mostly "ethnic", but I've seen one or two yuppie couples there lately. Maybe they needed a break from the trendy prices; or maybe they were on a field trip to see how the other half shops.

I'm a bit suspicious of the organic thing. How "organic" is all of this overpriced stuff? Did you actually watch them grow it?...Besides, there's pollution everywhere, in the soil, in the air, in the water, in your workplace, in your house...What are you really avoiding?

For now, I'll take my chances with the rest of the ethnic crowd, until I have some real money to burn. Then, maybe I'll buy a patch of land and pay someone to grow it for me while I watch.

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» RE: Yuppie Food Posted by: LionHeart
» RE: Yuppie Food Posted by: eboy
» Brilliant, eboy, thank you... Posted by: buffeliscious
WF is a rip-off. Shop at Trader Joe's!!
Posted by: felipe on Aug 29, 2008 3:40 AM   
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If you're lucky enough to live in one of the markets where they have stores. Organics produce and products are usually not much more than conventional products and, overall, TJ's is much, much cheaper than WF or any 'standard' grocery store.

Plus, they treat their employees really well. Even Part time employees have access to health insurance as well as a retirement plan they do not have to pay into.

Go Joe's!!

(Full disclosure - I have family members who work for TJ's)

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» Local Produce Update Posted by: felipe
» Trader Joe's Prices Posted by: benzene
» RE: Trader Joe's Prices Posted by: felipe
organic will hold its own
Posted by: Farmertim on Aug 29, 2008 4:23 AM   
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for a while for organic producers and suppliers have just entered into the ability to enjoy the economy of scale, which will at least hold prices somewhat level.
The thing that will hurt organic stand alone stores most is transportation from field to far flung stores.
Big chains have always had lower organic prices and continue to do so.
What is going to hurt organic the most is the small local grower at the farmers market which is now seeing throughout the summer lower interest in their product just because the small scale of production and inherent high cost of that production and related higher cost of their food even or above Whole foods prices.
Another thing that is driving organic cost up is the fact that conventional farmers are now using the compost organic producers relied on for fertilizer driving up the cost of manure/compost 200% coupled with the sad fact the commercial growers are using oil based fertilizer understandings to factor effect in compost and the resulting over application is creating further ecological and soil damage and compounding the compost shortage.
And to answer the above question of why the cost of organic is so high in the first place, is the real question is why is conventional so cheap? The answer is your tax dollars subsidising Conventional agriculture from water to health care for migrant workers at ER's to trains to move it to you and the high way system we all drive on.
Take that away and the cost we now pay everyone is complaining about is about 30% less that we should be paying, wether conventional or organic.
Farmer Tim

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» RE: organic will hold its own Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: organic will hold its own Posted by: Jill Richardson
» RE: organic will hold its own Posted by: greenknight
RE: Grow your own even in a small space
Posted by: Duncable on Aug 29, 2008 9:00 AM   
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That's a new small garden book I hadn't seen, so thanks! I've got a couple of organic farming books and kitchen container garden books, since I live in an apartment, but I'm gonna check that one out, too!

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W F More problems
Posted by: reinaldok on Aug 29, 2008 4:43 AM   
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I wonder if anyone else has the same problem at Whole Foods. I finally gave up shopping at one of their places. They seem to employ the surliest, snootiest people imaginable. Don't even attempt to ask a simple question. The know-it-all will assume that you are some kind of street trash. Wise up WF - You sure ain't the only kid on the block.

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» Not me. Posted by: kepstein7777
My organic grower is just as much a capitalist as everyone else
Posted by: ilsewdm on Aug 29, 2008 4:55 AM   
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I live in an ever growing mostly retirement community on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington. We have an organic grower here who is quite productive. He sells at local farmers' markets and has a farm store right down the road from my house. He also sells to health food stores and co-ops in surrounding towns. I have been participating in his CSA through his own form of money (buy a $400 card for $349) for the past several years. This year his prices have shot way up, far more than the price of oil would require. A head of lettuce that cost $1.50 last year now is $2.50. I've been waiting for the price to drop since spring, but no matter how many different lettuces he has in the store, the price remains. The increases are the same throughout the store. We have an influx of well-to-do retirees mostly from California. They can afford paying a premium for their food. Being a local grower apparently does not mean growing for the locals, but instead selling to the highest bidder. Whatever the market will bear.

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Organic is
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Aug 29, 2008 5:03 AM   
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Expensive because that price reflects the true cost of growing food. There are many things to consider when thinking about prices of organics. The fact that seedlings got started in a heated greenhouse.. the plastic for the greenhouse, the greenhouse,the help,the seeds,the irrigation, the other soil amendments, I could go on. Raising food the right way is costly. Plus too at least at the farmers market you ARE paying for the higher quality and freshness... not to mention that many farmers have high property taxes...etc etc etc. Personally in many cases I feel that some farmers sell themselves short and do not charge enough. If your quality is high you should be paid for that..never mind the idea that working eighty hours a week bla blah blah

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» RE: Bull... Posted by: jcalhoun
» RE: Bull... Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» You Are Both Correct. Hooray! Posted by: grumble-bum
» RE: Organic is Posted by: greenknight
Shop @ Farmers Markets, Join A Coop, Get a Community Garden Plot
Posted by: colleenwhalen on Aug 29, 2008 5:41 AM   
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I have been eating organic food since 1969. It comprises 100% of my diet. I'm not a yuppie and am on a VERY tight budget. I'm a full time student living on under $13,000 a year, yet I still manage to eat 100% organic.

I shop at Davis Natural Foods Coop - coops are always at least 30% to 40% cheaper than Whole Foods. Shopping at my local farmers market for organic food is easily 50% cheaper than Whole Foods - also, I have a 10 x 10 community garden plot I grow my own food in.

The Slow Food Movement IS absolutely elitist, geared towards upscale, wealthy people, although it throws a few crumbs once in awhile to working class income folks - but purchasing organic food at farmers markets is CONSIDERABLY cheaper than Whole Foods. I live in Northern California and my local farmers market which has about 15 orgaqnic farmers is at least 50% less than Whole Foods.

This is what I cannot figure out about Whole Foods - the founder/CEO John McKay is a billionaire and has total hegemony globally over the organic/natural foods industry. John McKay has a reputation as being anti-labor, sure yeah, Whole Foods offers health insurance, but if you are earning less than $10 an hour - you can't afford the monthly premiums for health insurance.

Whole Foods CEO/Founder, John McKay is currently under investigation by the Federal Trade Commission for insider trading - his aquisition of his #1 competitor Wild Oats - was fairly nefarious and violated FTA violations. It turned out the Federal Trade Commission discovered that for years John McKay under a fake screen name had been posting defamatory, slanderous posts in Financial Industry - Wall Street investor type blogs and online forums about Wild Oats.

John McKay posted erroneous, fictitious stuff alleging Wild Oats had internal management problems and this caused the price of Wild Oats stock to plummet in price - enabling John McKay to bout out the Wild Oats national chain at drastically reduced stock prices.

The Federal Trade Commission invesigation is still pending - and John McKay is under investigation - I saw some info about this at Organic Consumer Association website forum.

If John McKay is a billionaire, why can't he lower the prices at Whole Foods? I never shop there because the prices are PREPOSTEROUS.

Actually, I don't think Whole Foods sells very good quality food - they sell huge amounts of Factory Farmed conventionally grown, pesticide produce that is NOT organic and if it gets mixed in with the genuine certified organic produce - mistakes can happen so easily.

The Whole Foods private label products frequently have white flour, white sugar ingredients - yeah, maybe no preservatives, but still grown with pesticides and NOT organic. Whole Foods deli isn't very healthy, there is ZERO emphasis on organic food in their deli and plenty of white flour pasta and some sugar in their deli items.

Two natural food coops in my area pay UNION WAGES to their staff - long time employees can earn $15 an hour or more at Davis Coop and Sacramento Natural Foods Coop - but Whole Foods pays most of their staff minimum wage, and maybe after aeons working at Whole Foods, a staffer might make just barely $10 an hour, not a living wage.

I am utterly devoted to eating 100% organic diet since 1969 - but I don't trust Whole Foods merchandise to be authentic - most of their food is NOT certified organic - but conventionally grown "natural" which means next to nothing. Conventionally grown "natural" foods means there are no added artificial ingredients - but the crops were still grown with pesticides, fungicides, growth hormones, etc.

You are a LOT better off shopping at local farmers market searching for the certified organic farmers there - shopping at a natural food coop and growing food in your backyard or community garden

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I Don't Trust Trader Joes OR Whole Foods Market
Posted by: colleenwhalen on Aug 29, 2008 5:45 AM   
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Insofar as Trader Joe's very, very little of their merchandise is organic and I don't consider it even a natural food store. Trader Joe's is a discount, gourmet "foodie" store, but the owners don't really ANY committment to selling organic food. 90% of their food is conventionally grown NOT organic - read the labels at Trader Joes - there is TONS of white flour, white sugar and preservative and chemicals in their private label brand.

Trader Joe's alleged "organic" produce is nearly 98% flown in from Mexico, Chile, China and Argentina, or Third World countries - slave labor conditions for the farm workers.

I don't trust Trader Joe's to be "organic" anymore than I trust that crap Safeway "O" brand. Horizion Dairy is also another bullshit "greenwashing" brand. Horizion Dairy was caught doing "Factory Farming" feedlot type practices and the USDA refused to take away their organic certification label. The USDA also refused to even fine Horizion Dairy for violating organic standards.

It was ONLY because www.cornucopia.org spilled the beans and "outed" Horizion Dairy as being totally FAKE and not using authentic organic dairy farming practices. Horizion Dairy is FACTORY FARMED "greenwashing" crap - no different than conventional supermarket dairy.

I absolutely DO trust "Organic Valley" brand dairy products - they are the genuine article and a national coop of small dairy farmers who banded together to create a genuine, authentic organic dairy company.



check out www.cornucopia.org "Who Owns Organic" it will blow your mind and exposes transnational corporate cartel - corporate agribusiness who bought up organic companies. There is also a flow chart which shows what organic foods manufuacturers are still owned independently by private individuals and families.



Now about Trader Joe's and 95% of their alleged organic produce flown in from Mexico, Chile, Argentina, China and Third World nations. Just how "sustainable" (?) is it to air freight foreign grown organic food hundreds of thousands of miles from Third World nations to Trader Joe's store? This creates enourmous carbon footprints, contributing to global warming gas production. Buying LOCALLY grown organic food from your family farmer in your community at a farmers market is MUCH more sustainable with dramatically lower carbon footprint.

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» NOT China Posted by: Gravitas
» RE: NOT China Posted by: veg4peace
» You're Wrong Posted by: felipe
Whole Foods? Trader Joe's? Are You Kidding?
Posted by: grumble-bum on Aug 29, 2008 6:41 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Where are the stats from Wal*Mart, while we're at it?

While national chains of upscale natural food retailers certainly deserve some credit for spreading the notion of eating natural & organic foods, the article (& comments, so far) completely neglects to mention our humble, local food co-ops.

By inexplicably excluding these stores from the analysis, the author (who as a professed Locavore, should know better) does a grave disservice & paints an inaccurate picture.

Frankly, I'm baffled at that decision.

The co-op I work for is doing just fine, thanks. Profits are up consistently, every year. Yeah, they are modest profits, & yes we are feeling the effects of our broken food production/speculation system/oil addiction, too. A certain amount of our clientele are upper & upper-middle class, but we serve (& fairly employ) plenty of people from our immediate, not-so-rich neighborhood, as well. In fact, we are (responsibly) expanding our second store next year, nearly doubling its size. All this while in direct competition with Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, several high-end chain groceries, & ruthless price-cutters like Wal*Mart, Cub & Target.

By way of example, the department I run shows healthy growth every week, when compared to previous years. A couple of weeks ago, it was up 19% from last year. We have had to raise prices in our stores, mostly in response to fuel costs. But because our focus is on locality as much as it is on organics, this hasn't effected our prices nearly as much as it must effect stores like Whole Foods who ship their products from all over the world.

When we only look at the financial health of massive, national chain stores, we see a distorted picture. We see fair-weather trend-seekers experiencing sticker shock as they see artificially low prices edging up towards what the food is actually worth, & returning to the "safety" of conventional, cruel & polluting food sources. Isn't it possible that these store's profits are down mostly in relation to the fact that they were previously unreasonably high?

Shoppers at co-ops know that they are buying food from their neighbors, that the sales staff often actually knows the origin of that food, & that the prices are in line with that food's actual cost. They learn to budget accordingly, & eat well.

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» I Concur Posted by: pdxjoe
» Wal-Mart "Organics" Posted by: veg4peace
» You Are Forgiven... Kinda. Posted by: grumble-bum
Trader Joe's is Awesome
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 29, 2008 7:06 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Trader Joe's is a wonderful company. Maybe they don't meet some absolute purist standard, but as far as social responsibility and lower priced organic foods they are head and shoulders above the rest. They are fantastic about taking items one does not like back. They care about dolphin safety. They are not buying products from China. They have puppy posts with water bowls for people who walk with their dogs to the store. The restrooms always have fresh flowers and complimentary feminine necessities. (Which really helps when one finds themselves surprised and without change.)

This is how great Trader Joe's is. I use those awful prepaid gift mastercards cards when I want to buy online instead of my own credit card. It didn't work with their machine. The clerk told me that they had problems with them before. I was only buying one thing, um organic "feminine necessities." I was not carrying my regular wallet with me. Thus no other way to pay. The manager gave me the product as they considered it the fault of their machine. That is how decent this company is. (And I am very careful where I tell this story becaus I DON"T want people to scam them with worthless gift cards. As it turned out, in my case, the card company had illegally deducted "service charges" of $2 several times completely eating away my balance and ripping me off of my own money)

If you haven't tried this store and are lucky enough to have one in your area, it is well worth your time.

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» RE: Trader Joe's is Awesome Posted by: Jill Richardson
Helath Foods
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 29, 2008 7:07 AM   
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For years we have gone to a local health Food market for lunch a couple times a week. I have watched what used to cost us $12 go to over $24 in a matter of months. This is clearly getting WAY out of hand if you ask me.

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The problem is the PRIVATIZATION of good food for the past 50 yrs.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 29, 2008 7:21 AM   
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I've noticed from time to time certain people blaming population growth for society's ills. Certainly no different from blaming immigrants instead of the real culprits such as "free" trade, deregulation, privatization, etc ... Good food has been PRIVATIZED for the past 50 years. We can bullshit and greenwash ourselves with the word "organic" but we're going to have to realize that up until 50 years ago, factory farms and fast food were mere luxuries. Take a closer look at the makeup of the same food item today vs 50 years ago. Let's start with a glass of milk. Why is it that we have to take vitamin tablets with today's milk when in fact the bloodstream can only absorb 20% of the tablets injested daily? Along with it, today's milk is most likely to cause one to get hungry unneccesarily whereas milk 50 years ago had most everything found in vitamin supplements and people wouldn't get hungry. Enter corporate farm factories and forcing animals to eat petroleum manufactured corn feed along with anti-biotics and growth hormones instead of giving them the freedom to chew off of grass as they wish. And along with it, forcing overcrowding in these concentration camp feedlots and anti-biotic resistant diseases. By switching the animals from grass fed to corn fed, the crucial vitamins and minerals are completely lost. In addition, the Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio of 1-4:1 switches to a dangerous 1 : 10-20 ratio resulting in bad fats and cholestoral replacing the good kind. The "blame high population" crowd doesn't want you to know all that as they are hell bent on defending the elites. Instead, they want you to think that there are simply too many people to feed and that switching to good old fashion ways will somehow cause a die-off. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Feed 10 people typical corn-fed milk and "Happy meals" filled with bad fat and dangerous chemicals such as aspartame, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, etc ... and in one hour, they'll be hungry for more. On the other hand, feed these same 10 people grass fed milk, whole wheat bread with jam made with real sugar or stevia instead of refined shit, and the likes and they won't be hungry for more. What I'm trying to get at is the fact that we must stand up to being hooked into over-processed fossil fuel bullshit on all sides and stand up for good food. Never let a naysayer try to mislead you into believing that the population won't sustain as a result of more people switching to good food. Grow it locally, get it at a local food store, or even from a good wholesale store, it doesn't matter. If you don't stand up to PRIVATIZATION of good/healthy food, you LOSE.

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My wife has medical reactions to non-organic food
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 29, 2008 8:32 AM   
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For the millions of people who have chemical sensitivity, CFIDS, Gulf War Syndrome, many other names, organic is not some new yuppie fad. It's sickness versus health.

A reputable source of organic is important. If some unscrupulous store manager or wholesaler switches organic and non-organic in order to make a profit, the result is that my wife gets sick.

Obviously this article's author doesn't get sick in the same way. For Jill Richardson, switching back is a simple lifestyle choice. I wish she'd stop speaking for the already injured.

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"yes" next question: who is REALLY affording 'middle-class' if we're broke?
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 29, 2008 10:41 AM   
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think about it.

you're not middle-class if all you can afford is FrankenFood & crap that will kill you.




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Shop at your local FARMERS MARKET!
Posted by: naomibinkley on Aug 29, 2008 11:03 AM   
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Based on my experience at my local Farmers Market, the food is fresher, tastier, AND OFTEN LESS EXPENSIVE (sometimes MUCH LESS) than all the grocery stores. And most of it is Organic (even those farmers who are not certified organic use many organic methods, including no chemical fertilizers or pesticides).

Plus it's an enjoyable experience to go to the market each week and there is something TRULY ORGANIC about getting your fruit and vegetables directly from the woman or man who GREW IT! (with dirt under the fingernails and all)!

Check out LocalHarvest.org, a site that lists Farmer's Markets all over the U.S.A., (you can also search the site for many Co-ops, CSA's, natural stores, even restaurants that focus on local produce--other places to find Organic goods at reasonable prices). Local Harvest's site even has some very handy interactive MAPS!

Here is the link: Find a Farmer's Market in your area!

Part of the reason that organics are so expensive is because the SUPPLY is still somewhat lower than the giant DEMAND (nationwide). But most of the organic produce at grocery chains come from huge mega-corporations, NOT small family farms. Grocery stores figure they can afford to mark-up the prices astronomically, because more people than ever want organics and will buy it!

Vote with your dollar by supporting your local small farmers, who, especially in this down-turned economy, NEED your business so they can STAY IN BUSINESS. These families are working hard and have an incentive to sell at competitive prices! But EVEN if some prices are equivalent to large grocery stores, at least you are getting produce that is hours-fresh (not days or weeks), which means it contains MORE NUTRIENTS, and you're supporting small businesses in your LOCAL economy (not multi-national mega-corporations).

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Cornrefiner
Posted by: Cornrefiner on Aug 29, 2008 11:11 AM   
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High fructose corn syrup, sugar, and several fruit juices all contain the same simple sugars.

New research continues to confirm that high fructose corn syrup is no different from other sweeteners. It has the same number of calories as sugar and is handled similarly by the body.

Consumers can see the latest research and learn more about high fructose corn syrup at www.HFCSfacts.com and www.SweetSurprise.com.

Audrae Erickson
President
Corn Refiners Association

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why t- joe's products are long distance...
Posted by: lagerythym on Aug 29, 2008 11:22 AM   
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they eliminate the middle men by dealing directly with the producers. this gets the producers a higher price while allowing t-joe's a lower cost. as to distance from product, i guess it depends on where you live not all their producers are out of the u.s. they are diligent in finding eco and labor friendly sources.

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» sounds like TJ PR BS Posted by: AdamG
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Are you kidding?
Posted by: yesman on Aug 29, 2008 2:47 PM   
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Perhaps this has to do with the ambiguity of the term "middle class." If by "middle class," you mean "working class," then organic food has always been largely outside our budgets. Anything organic has to be only an occasional treat.

If by "middle class," you mean the "managerial" or "executive" bourgeois parasite class, then I have a hard time being too sorry that they might be reduced to shopping at Kroger with me. (I'm sorrier for myself that I may now have to shop in their midst.)

As for Whole Foods, and other similar companies, they already have the answer to their problem. They make a big deal out of selling local products (though their definition of "local" seems perhaps a bit expansive to me). Nevertheless, if they really bought local products, they wouldn't need to spend so much money on transportation. Accordingly, local producers would be created to fill the demand for local products. Everybody wins, except the Chinese and the oil companies. I'm not saying this is an easy answer, but it's one more and more companies are going to have to implement, and it's one more of us "consumers" should demand.

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» A Working Class Reply Posted by: grumble-bum
Organic has always been expensive.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 29, 2008 3:08 PM   
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It's not just the Middle Class that's in this,it's all of us.
Organics have always been costly.Starting way back in the 70's when it was chic to go organic. The normal,non-middle class had always hoped the price would come down...it did'nt. The Feds changed the rules on organics back in the mid 90's. Their ideas about organic farming included practices that were'nt even anything like organic farming. I wrote the USDA many times about it,but they did it their way and true organic took the hit.
Organic foods are costly because the folks that bring us giant factory farms want it that way so they have control of the food market.
They hoped to price organic foods out of business. They almost did. It's been the people that kept organics alive so it should be the people boycotting Del Monte and Dole and Fresh-Like that will bring the price of organic down as we buy them over nutritionless canned foods and e-coli infested veggies.

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Here is a novel idea.......Grown your own...
Posted by: bluetara on Aug 29, 2008 7:23 PM   
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That's right.....get in the dirt and grown your own food...It is very easy even sheeple can do it... don't have any land, get the local government to open a community garden , so alot of folks can have a small plot. It doesn't take much of an area to produce a lot of great organic, or biodynamic, or permaculture food. you can grown from early spring to late fall, even in winter with cold frames..growing your own food is the most revolutionary act you can take against the cystem.

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I think me smells some TJ trolls
Posted by: AdamG on Aug 29, 2008 7:29 PM   
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Is it just me, or is there quite a number of posters extolling the virtues of not so virtuous TJ's?

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They Don't Call It Whole Paycheck For Nothing
Posted by: NoPCZone on Aug 29, 2008 8:47 PM   
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Wild Oats, Whole Foods, etc are all very overpriced and cater to those with more money (or credit) than common sense.

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Farmer's markets and home grown
Posted by: DaBear on Aug 29, 2008 10:50 PM   
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We live within walking distance of a WF and biking distance of a TJ's. We use them judiciously for what we cannot get at the local farmer's market or grow ourselves in the back yard (& our guerilla urban landscape crops). En route to martial arts training via transit (a friggin' 2 hour one way trip, dammit) we hit another farmer's market that provides unique fare we can't get elsewhere...

However, we get that not many people have that sort of access. Still it costs more than 160 a week to feed a family of four. But that's all we get on a really profitable month. Most times we subsist on $100 a week. We're working class 'round here but we know lots of "middle classers" who have pantries and double fridges full of food. I always ask how they manage to do it. They never answer my questions and squirm and fidget then I remember, oh, you're not s'posed to ask such things lest they discover you're poor. I see the people who shop at our local WF, and they ain't no middlings there, they be the owning classers, plain and simple.

And Whole Foods stock clerks or managers or whomever are idiots... the 1 liter bottles of Bac-Out are never in stock, when they are there's a line of moms and SAHD's fighting to buy them right outta the box. (Bac Out is a stay at homer's primary degreaser spot remover.... enzymes that totally kick ass, blood or wine even motor oil is gone in minutes and no shithead petrochem in the stuff). But every time someone bitches at the clerk WTF can't they keep that shit stocked on the shelf they shrug and have no clue. So even WF is a shitty brand of capitalista. But hey, whaddya expect from a sixteen year old owning class kid on his first job, right? When I was sixteen I worked at a corner mom & pop grocery store. If I had responded to customer demand like WF does, I'd have been fired on the spot. But at WF, it's normal. Go figure.

When I read the headline I kinda laughed and then sadistically said to myself, who gives a fuck about those pricks! I been bitchin' bout food prices for the past two years and no one gives a fuck about the poor and working class. Pooh pooh poor baby middlings and their owning class massas... then again, not being able to buy enough to eat sucks... for anyone. That's what I'm s'posed ta feel, right?

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» RE: Farmer's markets and home grown Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
Is it REALLY "expensive" ???
Posted by: smc31569 on Sep 1, 2008 9:53 AM   
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What everyone has failed to mention here is that cost is not only relevant to supply and demand but the cost of organic gardening is VERY expensive.. or was. Do you have any idea how difficult it used to be until just recently to even procure all of the necessities for organic food production ? Anyone price a 10lb bag of Corn Gluten Meal lately ?? The price of organic fertilizers, pest repellents, weed preventatives, etc are EXPENSIVE. Also consider in the factor of how COSTLY organic certification is and the yearly cost of inspections, re-certification and so forth. Organic food production is also extremely time and labor consuming..ie hand weed pulling, hand removal of pests and other procedures that necessitate actual HAND LABOR as organic farmers don't have the "luxury" of just dousing their crops in chemicals and pesticides, leaving them to "cure" themselves of any maladies.

I for one have absolutely no problem with paying more for organically raised foods and other products because I understand the economics and schematics of what goes on behind the scenes that "Joe Ordinary Consumer" doesn't have the mental capacity to take into consideration.

Do many stores unnecessarily overprice their organic products ? YES !! But I've learned where to shop and believe it or not your local health food store is more often than not more reasonable that your WF or TJs because #1...they're not overly commercialized, #2...have much lower "overhead",#3...aren't paying a mortgage on a huge piece of prime real estate, #4....aren't spending a large chunk of cash on slick advertising budgets. #5...don't have loads of employees to pay and provide benefits to and #6....have high salaried corporate officers and a board of trustees and stockholders to appease. THESE all factor into the price of food as well. Frankly I find many of the organic products I buy at close-out stores like BigLots. My local Jax Native Sun store is VERY reasonable.

Another thing to seriously contemplate about cost....which is more important to you ? The cost of eating healthy, pure, REAL food or saving a few bucks consuming your GMO, chemical laden frankenfoods and having a relatively good chance of developing an extremely costly or life-threatening illne